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		<title>By: Anwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even &#039;The Little Mermaid&#039;, which some people dislike because of how the main character was willing to give up almost everything she was (family and voice), didn&#039;t have Darek turn into an addiction or compulsion instead of a choice. For all the arguments that the life Bella comes to is her choice, a lot of her relationship with Edward has choice taken from her. 

&quot;I was addicted to the sound of my delusions. It made things worse if I went too long without them.â€ New Moon, Chapter 15, p.352

&quot;There was no way around it; I couldnâ€™t resist him in anything.â€ Twilight, Chapter 13, p.284

&quot;His mouth was on mine then, and I couldnâ€™t fight him. Not because he was so many thousand times stronger than me, but because my will crumbled into dust the second our lips met.â€ New Moon, Chapter 23, p.512

There are plenty of instances in the series where Bella tries to make a choice, but Edward controls it one way or another. Edward doesn&#039;t let Bella drive more often than not, even if she wants to. Even the decision of becoming a vampire isn&#039;t hers, though she even says she could ask Alice, which makes Edward upset. Edward even messes with her car when she INSISTS on seeing Jacob, trying to take even the decisions of who she is friends with away from her. Even with her human friends, he warns her that he can listen in on their conversations by poking inside the friend&#039;s heads.

But Bella is so addicted to Edward, that she makes the CHOICE of doing suicidal things so she can hear his voice, telling her she&#039;s stupid.

But what do I know? Addiction is the same as love, right?
(Heh, looking at it from a drug standpoint, the fact that Bella doesn&#039;t really love Jacob, but is willing to lead him on for a fix- er, I mean, strong male support, does that make Bella an emotional &#039;crack ho&#039;?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even &#8216;The Little Mermaid&#8217;, which some people dislike because of how the main character was willing to give up almost everything she was (family and voice), didn&#8217;t have Darek turn into an addiction or compulsion instead of a choice. For all the arguments that the life Bella comes to is her choice, a lot of her relationship with Edward has choice taken from her. </p>
<p>&#8220;I was addicted to the sound of my delusions. It made things worse if I went too long without them.â€ New Moon, Chapter 15, p.352</p>
<p>&#8220;There was no way around it; I couldnâ€™t resist him in anything.â€ Twilight, Chapter 13, p.284</p>
<p>&#8220;His mouth was on mine then, and I couldnâ€™t fight him. Not because he was so many thousand times stronger than me, but because my will crumbled into dust the second our lips met.â€ New Moon, Chapter 23, p.512</p>
<p>There are plenty of instances in the series where Bella tries to make a choice, but Edward controls it one way or another. Edward doesn&#8217;t let Bella drive more often than not, even if she wants to. Even the decision of becoming a vampire isn&#8217;t hers, though she even says she could ask Alice, which makes Edward upset. Edward even messes with her car when she INSISTS on seeing Jacob, trying to take even the decisions of who she is friends with away from her. Even with her human friends, he warns her that he can listen in on their conversations by poking inside the friend&#8217;s heads.</p>
<p>But Bella is so addicted to Edward, that she makes the CHOICE of doing suicidal things so she can hear his voice, telling her she&#8217;s stupid.</p>
<p>But what do I know? Addiction is the same as love, right?<br />
(Heh, looking at it from a drug standpoint, the fact that Bella doesn&#8217;t really love Jacob, but is willing to lead him on for a fix- er, I mean, strong male support, does that make Bella an emotional &#8216;crack ho&#8217;?)</p>
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		<title>By: natasha</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do these feminists realize that its a book/movie right? get a grip 
has anyone watched Disney lately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do these feminists realize that its a book/movie right? get a grip<br />
has anyone watched Disney lately?</p>
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		<title>By: Monday Midday Links: &#124; Dear Author: Romance Novel Reviews, Industry News, and Commentary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monday Midday Links: &#124; Dear Author: Romance Novel Reviews, Industry News, and Commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] editor in chief, John Guilfoil, borrows from Janice Radway&#8217;s seminal scholarly work to suggest that the feminist/anti-feminist arguments of the Twilight series are both right.  Radway suggested romance books both empower and reinforce gender stereotypes. Â Likewise, Guilfoil [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] editor in chief, John Guilfoil, borrows from Janice Radway&#8217;s seminal scholarly work to suggest that the feminist/anti-feminist arguments of the Twilight series are both right.  Radway suggested romance books both empower and reinforce gender stereotypes. Â Likewise, Guilfoil [...]</p>
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		<title>By: THE FEMINIST &#8220;TWILIGHT&#8221; ARGUMENT INTELLECTUALIZED &#124; Open Society Book Club Discussions and Reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE FEMINIST &#8220;TWILIGHT&#8221; ARGUMENT INTELLECTUALIZED &#124; Open Society Book Club Discussions and Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Maile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Moon works very much on a fairy tale level, and I side on the empowerment argument with new Moon. Here&#039;s what so many critics miss about Bella&#039;s behavior. When Edward leaves Bella, he makes a pact with her. This is the pact that gets overlooked EVERY TIME: Edward tells Bella that IF she promises to stay safe HE promises never to return.Well, isn&#039;t that the most stupid pact ever though up, when your girl wants you to return? The whole point is Edward swore he was making a clean break with her when he left-it was anything but. On a subconscious level, that pact gave him an &quot;out&quot; to return one day--IF she is in danger by her own hand. Bella, spends the next 2/3 of the book doing every dangerous act possible. And the message of those acts? Eff you, Edward, and your stupid good intentions, and your stupid pact. I&#039;m breaking the pact by doing dangerous things--now come back and find me. 

This is very much like a fairy tale, where the characters are acting on a subconscious, intuitive level. In ways they don&#039;t fully understand. And yet Bella&#039;s insistence to break the pact that Edward forced upon her, by jumping off the cliff, causes a chain of events that lead to their reunion. It&#039;s an act of empowerment and an act of defiance over Edward&#039;s insistence that he knows what&#039;s best for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Moon works very much on a fairy tale level, and I side on the empowerment argument with new Moon. Here&#8217;s what so many critics miss about Bella&#8217;s behavior. When Edward leaves Bella, he makes a pact with her. This is the pact that gets overlooked EVERY TIME: Edward tells Bella that IF she promises to stay safe HE promises never to return.Well, isn&#8217;t that the most stupid pact ever though up, when your girl wants you to return? The whole point is Edward swore he was making a clean break with her when he left-it was anything but. On a subconscious level, that pact gave him an &#8220;out&#8221; to return one day&#8211;IF she is in danger by her own hand. Bella, spends the next 2/3 of the book doing every dangerous act possible. And the message of those acts? Eff you, Edward, and your stupid good intentions, and your stupid pact. I&#8217;m breaking the pact by doing dangerous things&#8211;now come back and find me. </p>
<p>This is very much like a fairy tale, where the characters are acting on a subconscious, intuitive level. In ways they don&#8217;t fully understand. And yet Bella&#8217;s insistence to break the pact that Edward forced upon her, by jumping off the cliff, causes a chain of events that lead to their reunion. It&#8217;s an act of empowerment and an act of defiance over Edward&#8217;s insistence that he knows what&#8217;s best for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh..and about the whole &quot;sex&quot; thing...how  many movies and shows are out there about teenage pregnancy...i&#039;m sorry but i think teenage girls and boys are going to think about having sex no matter what the twilight books have in them...and at least Meyers makes them wait until they are married.  And i appreciated the role reversal in the books...that Edward had the restraint!!!  The books were only being honest to real human emotions...any 17/18 year old girl that has a boyfriend i&#039;m sure has had sexual feelings towards them!!!!  It would be ignorant of us to believe that they dont think about it or want to !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh..and about the whole &#8220;sex&#8221; thing&#8230;how  many movies and shows are out there about teenage pregnancy&#8230;i&#8217;m sorry but i think teenage girls and boys are going to think about having sex no matter what the twilight books have in them&#8230;and at least Meyers makes them wait until they are married.  And i appreciated the role reversal in the books&#8230;that Edward had the restraint!!!  The books were only being honest to real human emotions&#8230;any 17/18 year old girl that has a boyfriend i&#8217;m sure has had sexual feelings towards them!!!!  It would be ignorant of us to believe that they dont think about it or want to !</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a 30 year old woman that loves the Twilight Saga!  The thing i don&#039;t understand with these critics sometimes is the fact that this story is fiction and it&#039;s based on a world that doesn&#039;t and never will exist.  Sure, Bella is clumsy but that doesn&#039;t make her someone that can&#039;t be heroic...and sure, the men around her protect her, but it&#039;s because these &quot;men&quot; are of the supernatural and she is merely a human girl that doesn&#039;t belong in that world...she needs to be protected...a human boy would need protection in the world of vampires and werewolves!!!!  If you are going to say that a story about a girl that falls in love quickly and would do anything to see her true love is aweful well then i guess Cinderella should be banned along with snow white and the Little Mermaid!!!  Ariel runs away at 16 and turns herself into a human putting the entire ocean kingdom at risk all for her one true love...i guess it&#039;s okay to teach 5 year olds that thats okay.  Fiction is fiction...romance is romance....what&#039;s great about twilight is that it is fiction and any girl or woman can fantasize about being in a supernatural world!!! Obviously vampires don&#039;t exist so the girls reading these books would never have situations such as these to have to make the decisions Bella has to make!!!!  I&#039;m a very independent woman...i work hard...take care of myself...provide for my child...i don&#039;t like it when people offer to help with certain things because i want to take care of it for myself....but i still love a good fictional romance story i can lose myself in!!!! And by the way, Bella isn&#039;t perfect...but then again...who is!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 30 year old woman that loves the Twilight Saga!  The thing i don&#8217;t understand with these critics sometimes is the fact that this story is fiction and it&#8217;s based on a world that doesn&#8217;t and never will exist.  Sure, Bella is clumsy but that doesn&#8217;t make her someone that can&#8217;t be heroic&#8230;and sure, the men around her protect her, but it&#8217;s because these &#8220;men&#8221; are of the supernatural and she is merely a human girl that doesn&#8217;t belong in that world&#8230;she needs to be protected&#8230;a human boy would need protection in the world of vampires and werewolves!!!!  If you are going to say that a story about a girl that falls in love quickly and would do anything to see her true love is aweful well then i guess Cinderella should be banned along with snow white and the Little Mermaid!!!  Ariel runs away at 16 and turns herself into a human putting the entire ocean kingdom at risk all for her one true love&#8230;i guess it&#8217;s okay to teach 5 year olds that thats okay.  Fiction is fiction&#8230;romance is romance&#8230;.what&#8217;s great about twilight is that it is fiction and any girl or woman can fantasize about being in a supernatural world!!! Obviously vampires don&#8217;t exist so the girls reading these books would never have situations such as these to have to make the decisions Bella has to make!!!!  I&#8217;m a very independent woman&#8230;i work hard&#8230;take care of myself&#8230;provide for my child&#8230;i don&#8217;t like it when people offer to help with certain things because i want to take care of it for myself&#8230;.but i still love a good fictional romance story i can lose myself in!!!! And by the way, Bella isn&#8217;t perfect&#8230;but then again&#8230;who is!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Kephart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Kephart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bella&#039;s a complete idiot. But it&#039;s still entertaining! I&#039;m a 39 year old former professional woman who loves the Twilight series. Escapism it it&#039;s best. Dare I call it sintertainment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bella&#8217;s a complete idiot. But it&#8217;s still entertaining! I&#8217;m a 39 year old former professional woman who loves the Twilight series. Escapism it it&#8217;s best. Dare I call it sintertainment?</p>
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		<title>By: Lily Strange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily Strange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame that Birdy is such a shy, understated gal. I really would have been interested to hear her opinion. Don&#039;t hold back so much next time, Sister! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame that Birdy is such a shy, understated gal. I really would have been interested to hear her opinion. Don&#8217;t hold back so much next time, Sister! <img src='http://blastmagazine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: birdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>birdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh.. i forgot to add: these women criticizing twilighters are the very same people keeping ok, people, and E hollywood gossip magazine rags in business. it&#039;s all very funny to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh.. i forgot to add: these women criticizing twilighters are the very same people keeping ok, people, and E hollywood gossip magazine rags in business. it&#8217;s all very funny to me.</p>
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		<title>By: birdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>birdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so we&#039;re all what we watch or read? then we&#039;re a sorry lot indeed. just look at the most popular tv shows in america. and i guess every single young man in america is completely disgusting for ever watching and enjoying a pornographic gang bang. 

funny cause the women who regularly watch brain food shows like desperate housewives, dr. phil, and reality tv are the same women ridiculing twilighters. it&#039;s laughable. 

everyone is pretty much sick and tired of america picking apart stories of love and nudity. time really could be better spent ridding our programming of graphic violence. 

frankly, im happy my neice chooses to read twilight and wouldnt mind if she were more like bella because rather than modeling herself after the scantily clad hannah montana or britney spears, bella dresses modestly, does her homeowrk and chores without being asked. and bella never reduced herself to just some sex object to gain attention from men; she waited until she found someone she cared for and rightfully fell in lust with him. 

and what kind of feminist would be angry that a woman is shown wanting to have sex? and are these feminists saying men are such scum that they could never possibly be the party saying no? my husband made me wait while i was trying to jump his bones on a daily basis. please go worry about something more relevant to the planet. thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so we&#8217;re all what we watch or read? then we&#8217;re a sorry lot indeed. just look at the most popular tv shows in america. and i guess every single young man in america is completely disgusting for ever watching and enjoying a pornographic gang bang. </p>
<p>funny cause the women who regularly watch brain food shows like desperate housewives, dr. phil, and reality tv are the same women ridiculing twilighters. it&#8217;s laughable. </p>
<p>everyone is pretty much sick and tired of america picking apart stories of love and nudity. time really could be better spent ridding our programming of graphic violence. </p>
<p>frankly, im happy my neice chooses to read twilight and wouldnt mind if she were more like bella because rather than modeling herself after the scantily clad hannah montana or britney spears, bella dresses modestly, does her homeowrk and chores without being asked. and bella never reduced herself to just some sex object to gain attention from men; she waited until she found someone she cared for and rightfully fell in lust with him. </p>
<p>and what kind of feminist would be angry that a woman is shown wanting to have sex? and are these feminists saying men are such scum that they could never possibly be the party saying no? my husband made me wait while i was trying to jump his bones on a daily basis. please go worry about something more relevant to the planet. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: birdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>birdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>twilight is nothing more than a fantasy for women that does not transfer to real life just as porn is to men. get over it already.</description>
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		<title>By: Lily Strange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily Strange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get that young girls (and, frighteningly enough, women my age) are enamored with Twilight. I probably would have been enamored with it myself had I seen it at age 14. Girls do desire a romantic connection and often give up their own ambitions to hold onto the dream of having someone passionately (and possessively) love them. But I can&#039;t wrap my head around the idea of Twilight as a tale of feminine empowerment. Guess I should just go shave my legs now and be glad I can vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that young girls (and, frighteningly enough, women my age) are enamored with Twilight. I probably would have been enamored with it myself had I seen it at age 14. Girls do desire a romantic connection and often give up their own ambitions to hold onto the dream of having someone passionately (and possessively) love them. But I can&#8217;t wrap my head around the idea of Twilight as a tale of feminine empowerment. Guess I should just go shave my legs now and be glad I can vote.</p>
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